Paul Wheaton and Maddy Harland of Permaculture Magazine discuss Sepp Holzer's animal shelters, which he also converts to food storage spaces. Maddy brings up Chris Evans, and his utilization of Masanobu Fukuoka''s techniques in Nepali watersheds. She also values David Holmgrem for his knowledge and work documenting permaculture's biological successes. She shares about her interviewing Polly Higgins, who is working to bring "ecocide" to the attention of the world through the UN. Paul tells her he'd love to see Ben Law and Sepp Holzer get together, and that Sepp and Mike Oehler already have. Maddy brings up how things tend to get invented on separate continents simultaneously. In the next issue, there will be an article on making your own charcoal so you can reuse water filters, as well as one on some families who were in an intentional community and chose to return to the suburbs for their children.